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Vinny Lingham's Blog: Offline Print Journalist calls Bloggers “Wackos who gun down their fellow students”

  • Rafiq Phillips · 2 years ago
    Round of applause to Vinny for this post.
  • Paul Jacobson · 2 years ago
    Vinny, you rant well when you do rant!
  • Stii · 2 years ago
    Clapclapclapclapclap! I appluad you! Now, what is going to be interesting is the effect of David Bullard's rant in the social media circles... I see your post has been digged 6 times by the time of this comment. Interesting...
  • Jeremy Zawodny · 2 years ago
    Funny. I spent a few years writing for a print publication. Heck, I was an editor for about half that time too.

    Whatever...
  • James Lewin · 2 years ago
    Looks like you took the bait, Vinny. Bullard's reeling you in.

    Calling blogging the air guitar of journalism is some pretty serious link baiting, though....
  • TMLutas · 2 years ago
    The off-line news media seems hell bent on discrediting itself and turning away readers, listeners, and viewers. There is a progression to it.

    One first figures out that one is deceived by trusting the media in one's specialty but you keep going back to reading it anyway because they do serve to identify "hot" news even if they get the facts and interpretation wrong more often than not but you still trust that the general stuff is fine.

    Then you discover just about every other specialist you ask is working similarly distrusts the mainstream media on their specialty, you connect the dots and decide the MSM is just unreliable for specialist stuff entirely. At a certain point the penny drops and you find out they are unreliable about *everything*.

    It's at this point where heavy denial sets in because people at this stage still consume mass media product, they are just very angry about it. There is a huge residual well of trust, of tribal affiliation, deep psychological stuff that nobody much likes to look at, especially when things turn personal.

    But the centre cannot hold. To reduce one's blood pressure and preserve your mental state, alternate media starts getting consumed more and more and the psychological deference granted to the MSM drops with each badly reported story.

    The final phase is where you don't care anymore, merely dropping in to comment areas like this one, hoping to ease along others who may be trapped in earlier stages of the process. So widen your news sources and resign yourself to cobbling together a set of trusted news sources out of the "new media". The old media is falling apart and relying on it exclusively is starting to be downright embarrassing.
  • Eric · 2 years ago
    Blogs are a threat to his arrogant ass. Kind of like Bill Gates claiming 640K ram was enough for anybody. Information wants to be free...and on the net...it will be freer than most.
  • Gary · 2 years ago
    Pretty strong stuff, Vinny, however I suggest you read Mathew Bucklands (http://www.matthewbuckland.com/) blog for a well thought through and considered response to the Bullard Brouhaha. Simply put, Bullards tongue-in-cheek, provocative style is one of the reaons why is columns are so popular.

    If you could not discern that then it leads me to think that there may be more than an element of truth in Bullards comments about bloggers?
  • Vinny Lingham · 2 years ago
    Thanks for all the comments guys!

    Gary:

    Your point could equally be directed at Vincent Maher. The fact of the matter is that Bullard has a huge audience and significant influence, and given the nature of the different segments that we target, less than 1% of his readers will ever see the blogosphere challenge him.

    His post was obviously meant to evoke emotion and incite the sort of posts that I have just made, however, the other 99% do not have the ability to discern and will read, absorb and believe much of what he writes.

    The sad truth is that for the average consumer, print media is still more trusted than online - but that is the changing face of media. That said, doesn't Bullard have an interest in maintaining that edge and if he is in this position of power and influence over his readers, does it mean that he should abuse it?

    On a balanced view, I think he was definitely trying to incite the blogosphere, but also, deep down, he really did get his beliefs across.

    Such is the nature of free speech - you have my views and responses, simply because I am free to give it as I see fit...
  • Naufal · 2 years ago
    It is quite sad to see that Bullard decided to pick on the Webby's. Hope he is ready for a armada of spam from everyone *LOL*. On a serious note it is disconcerting even for myself when I am told Marketing budget is assigned primarily to the Print Media rather than my department no matter how much we in the Web arena can produce results it will always be negated by the traditionalists in any company. HEY BULLARD ! Maybe i'll start a blog and shoot my fellow marketing team? Whaddya say?! *LOL*
  • Marc · 2 years ago
    There seems to be a lot of confusion, both in David's post and in Vinny's. The VAST majority of blogs do indeed take the form of mind-numbingly boring minutae of people's lives.

    David's error is that he extrapolates that onto the more serious blogs and then brings in the journalism snipe. Vinny's error is he buys into David's trap.
  • Eishman · 2 years ago
    Guys, I can't help but think all this uproar is playing directly into David Bullard's hands. I have specifically chosen not to blog about this story. The moment he decides to blog (some think he already has) he is guaranteed a massive readership. Hwy? Cause all thise deriding him have giving him the traction!
    He can't lose! Ssshhhh!!!!
  • SimmeV · 2 years ago
    I dont think this is a trap of any kind. the guy's seriously ignorant.
  • habit47 · 2 years ago
    It's so much fun to watch the gnashing of teeth and wailing as the corporate ships are run through by unregulated freedom of speech. Bullard's quite clearly resorting to sensationalism, that dirtiest of rags hanging from the arse of tabloid culture, in an effort to scrape some web2.0 under his nails. Sis, David. I thought better of you for too long, it seems.
  • habit47 · 2 years ago
    By the by, how arrogant are you, Bullard, to assume what and what not people might be interested in reading? How long has the government-sanctioned media complex fed us lies? Remember Apartheid, buddy? Not to mention the crap CNN spews out on a daily basis. I look forward to seeing your blog. If you wanted to make an entrance, you've picked a hell of a knife-fight to do it with. http://habit47.vox.com
  • Rouvanne · 2 years ago
    I have to admit feeling peeved, not only for the efforts I put into my own blog (blog! not publication! I am not a journalist!) but for all the other quality blogs I read - of course there are far too many crappy blogs out 'here', but then we do choose to only get feeds from blogs whose point of view we value.

    And if I do happen to want to read about Paris Hilton, or other mindless stuff, I can be assured that it'll only arrive in the print press 3 days later (or on Sunday! in some cases).
  • Henk Kleynhans · 2 years ago
    I've been reading David Bullard's column for years with fair amusement, but am incapable of taking him seriously. Surprized that he's got such a big reaction for attacking blogs.
  • Vaughn · 2 years ago
    Bullard's publicity stunt worked really well. With all the traffic he's bringing in to sundaytimes.co.za he'll be able to ask for a raise soon.
  • Marc · 2 years ago
    SimmeV - yeh, I'm with you on that - I certainly don't think it was a deliberate trap - he appears completely unaware of his misunderstanding of levels of logic!
  • Derrick · 2 years ago
    Lucky for David there will soon be blogging technology simple enough for him to setup his own blog, when the tedious minutiae of his life will be the only thing of interest to himself and the sadder few who read it.
  • Jane · 2 years ago
    In reality, no one should make sweeping generalisations about bloggers. There are just too many of them (us) to categorise and define with a few paragraphs.

    The fact is, Bullard is right in some senses: Think about Livejournal and its throngs of idiots. I've read the blogs of people I went to university with... they post all manners of stupid things. They don't gun down their peers, but they partly fit Bullard's description. blogs.myspace.com will elicit even worse forms of online authors.

    However, some bloggers are indeed trained writers, savvy business-people and just as qualified to put finger-to-keyboard as Mr. Bullard. How about I write a paragraph and sum up every print journalist on the planet? That can't be done, either.
  • Vinny Lingham · 2 years ago
    David Bullard launches his Blog today:

    http://www.sundaytimes.co.za/Columnists/DavidBu...
  • Naufal Khan · 2 years ago
    I just left this comment on Bully's blog, lets see if it gets the freedom of speech it deserves....
    So tell me Bullard why do you have a blog now? Since us bedwetters who belong to the "lifes losers lounge" as you so nicely put it? Well welcome to the club. I look forward to your attempt at maintaining this blog. Next time do us all a favour and keep your mouth shut. Here is a quote I would like to share with you ....

    "The art of war teaches us to rely not on the likelihood of the enemy's not coming, but on our own readiness to receive him; not on the chance of his not attacking, but rather on the fact that we have made our position unassailable." Sun Tzu, Art of War

    Now I am navigating off this page to get back to work where I just got paid 25, 000 US $ to programme a few lines of code for a software company. Us bloggers are not brainless wankers as you think we are. If it were not for us you would not be blogging. Welcome Bully you get a platinum pass to our world.
  • Sweet Violet · 2 years ago
    I like Bullard and his column. What you apparently fail to understand is that his knowledge (or lack thereof) regarding on line self-publishing is absolutely immaterial. The man can write...and well...and the publishing venue is irrelevant.

    After reading your lengthy comment on Bullard's blog, I came here to see if you were really as puffed-up with your own sense of self-importance as you appeared to be there. Yup, you are. I also noticed that you seem to try making yourself look smart and capable by criticising others and trying to make them look stupid and incompetent. Pretty transparent and a poor reflection on you and your intellectual honesty.

    You have completely missed Bullard's points and are hanging your pride on having bested a strawman of your own making. Could you do as well addressing Bullard on his own points? Somehow I doubt it.

    What Bullard has that you have yet to acquire is subtlety, focus, respect for skills of others, and the ability to make a point while eschewing the kind of self-aggrandizing that appears to be at the core of your style.

    You have a lot yet to learn.
  • Vinny Lingham · 2 years ago
    Sweet Violet:

    In case you think I don't remember you, if I remember correctly, you were the person who spoke at a conference in Joburg, got hold of a list of the speakers email addresses and spammed all of us (including myself) with commercial advertising for a friend of yours. I lashed back at you via email to that list (which includes some of the people who are blogging about BullardGate) for your blatent disregard for any form of etiquette and, along with Rob Stokes from Quirk, you labeled us "Online Bullies", proceeding to put up a hate page about myself and Rob on Blogspot. Anyways, the only reason I published your comment above is because I think that you have no credibility in the local blogosphere (and probably won't be able to acquire any with the comments that you make) and especially with the people that were on that mailing list.

    As a second point, if you were unable to connect the dots and see that my comment on David Bullard's blog post was simply a Quasi-Bullardesque response to this entire issue, which he virtually begged for with his comment into today's Sunday Times:

    "I was hoping for a general exchange of moderately insulting banter, but I have to say that the majority of the comments fall way short when it comes to intelligent invective. "

    I basically gave him what he asked for, with the most humorous slant I could conjure up. If you honestly think that my response was serious as the emails I sent to you about spamming, then you need to spend more time socializing and less time blogging!

    Anyone who has met me will tell you that I try to be jovial at all times and this entire BullardGate issue is just a whole lot of fun! Lighten up!
  • Naufal Khan · 2 years ago
    BWAHAHAHAHA! Sweet Violet oooooh you gonna get your ass kicked now.
  • Vinny Lingham · 2 years ago
    Oh, and if you're not the same person as per the first paragraph, my apologies, but at least the second point still applies.
  • Henk Kleynhans · 2 years ago
    I actually agree with Sweet Violet here. I checked out her blog and it definitely lends a lot of credibility to what David Bullard was saying in his column last week. In particular:

    Many bloggers prefer to remain anonymous and with good reason. The content of their sites is so moronic that even their best friends would disown them if they knew they were the authors.
  • Marc · 2 years ago
    Vinny's point here bears highlighting - "this entire BullardGate issue is just a whole lot of fun! Lighten up!"

    I think a lot of the indignant ranting that certain members of the blog community have responded with is perhaps a case of the shoe fitting a little too uncomfortably well :)
  • Izz · 2 years ago
    I think most of the people in my country, South Africa, (and not just David Bullard) are getting to grips of the power of the new media. And people like Vincent Maher get shot for going against the wind, which, ironically, is the breeze of the day and forth. You are right. The likes of the David's needs to catch, and do so fast before their bosses resign, for their publication spots may need to move, permanently, online. Shitting on a chair that you one day going to sit on is not very smart at all. And I see with the launch of the bullog that David Bullard is already sitting on that chair. But has he wiped it first?
  • Naufal Khan · 2 years ago
    Has anyone seen Bully's latest retort? Someone pass him some laxatives.
  • Nick van der Merwe · 2 years ago
    Bullard's right. Most blogs are exactly as he describes them; a complete waste of everyone's time.
  • Simme Volkers · 2 years ago
    sometimes a waste of space, but in the end it is you who decides if and how much time you spend on useless blogs. so please dont try and speak for everyone: cause thats me too.
  • Martin · 2 years ago
    Some blogs are full of useful information.